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Big six and big eight are two of the popular craps bets. As you can see on the craps table, they stick out because of their large numbers and prominence on the board, so it catches the attention of people. Really though, this bet is pretty simple yet it does not have really great odds. The main objective in craps is really quite straightforward. Basically you are just betting on the outcome of the roll of two dice. Craps is pure chance since you can’t affect the outcome in any way, but you do have the choice of several wagers. The majority of these wagers are ultimately based on what combination of dice will be rolled. Placing the 6 and 8. Consider a $6 place bet on the 6. There are only 11 happenings out of 36 in this universe that produce a decision: 5 wins x $7 and 6 losses of $6 for a net loss of 1 unit. Having bet 11 X $6 the loss is 1/66 or -1.51515%. However, consider a $6 place bet on BOTH the 6 and 8 simultaneously. Now we have a 16 possible game.
Alternative betting pattern: $30 on the 6 and 8 each, along with PL/come. The truth of the matter is that the 4, 5, 9, and 10 place bets are really bad bets. You’re expected to lose a little less than 3x more on the 5,9 vs the 6,8 and 4x with the 9 and 10 (buying is equivalent to placing the 6,8). EXPLANATION OF THE BIG 6 AND BIG 8 BET. To make the Big 6 or Big 8 bet, the player places his chips in the area marked Big 6 or Big 8. The Big 6 and Big 8 bet is a self-service bet, meaning that the player makes the bet on his own. Picture of the ‘Big 6’ and ‘Big 8” bets. The Big 6 and Big 8 are two separate bets.
When I’m gambling at the casino and playing craps, I love the place bet on the 6 and 8. If I’m not playing for the camera, I’ll typically bet about $12 max on the place 6 and place 8. If you see me place betting more, then I’m doing it for your entertainment.
I see this comment all the time in my craps videos, paraphrase, ‘why don’t you put a few hundred on the 6 and 8 place bets instead of odds?’
I’ll present this argument for why I do not make such a play: any time a player fails to max odds on the point of 6 or 8, and makes a place bet instead, that player is effectively betting the Big 6 or Big 8.
EXPLANATION OF THE BIG 6 AND BIG 8 BET
To make the Big 6 or Big 8 bet, the player places his chips in the area marked Big 6 or Big 8. The Big 6 and Big 8 bet is a self-service bet, meaning that the player makes the bet on his own.
The Big 6 and Big 8 are two separate bets. The player is not required to bet both the Big 6 and the Big 8. A player makes bet one or the other or both. For example, here is a bet on the Big 8 only…
Once the player has made his or her bet on either the Big 6 or Big 8 or both, the player will win if the corresponding number, that the player bet on, rolls before 7 rolls.
For example, in the picture directly above, if 8 rolls, the player will win, whereas if the 7 rolls, the player will lose. A win will pay even money. Therefore, in the picture directly above, if 8 rolls, the player will win $3 because the player bet $3.
If 6, 8, or 7 does not roll, then the shooter will continue rolling until a 6, 8, or 7 rolls. The Big 6 and Big 8 are multi-roll bets.
If this win-loss condition sounds familiar, that’s because it’s the exact same win-loss condition as the place bet on 6 and 8.
Casino forges les eaux poker room. ALMOST NO ONE BETS THE BIG 6 AND BIG 8
If you watch my videos, you’ll almost never see anyone betting the Big 6 or Big 8. I’ve looked for it, and I’ve not seen it. The Big 6 and Big 8 bets are horrible bets. The vast majority of craps players know it, which is why almost no one ever bets it.
As much as I play craps, I see someone betting the Big 6 and Big 8 maybe once a year.
The Big 6 and Big 8 make no sense as a bet because for the exact same-win conditions, you can give your money to the dealer and be paid more money for the exact same win-loss. A $12 bet on the Big 6 pays $12, whereas a $12 bet on the place 6 bet pays $14. With both bets, the bet wins if 6 rolls and loses if 7 rolls.
Even if the player messes up and bets $10, the place bet is still better than the Big 6, in the above case. A $10 place bet pays $11, versus $10 payout for the same $10 Big 6 bet.
Bottom line is that the Big 6 and Big 8 are bets relegated to the player who is a noob and has no idea what they’re doing. It’s such a bad bet that Atlantic City casinos are not allowed to offer it.
Las Vegas casinos are phasing it out because almost no one bets it. Here is a picture of a bet that has been introduced in lieu of the Big 6 and Big 8 bet…
Hopefully, I established to you that the Big 6 and Big 8 are horrible bets. But, did you know that when you are making a place bet, you are effectively betting the Big 6 and Big 8?
THE PRACTICAL EFFECT
If I told you, hey ‘bet your money on the Big 6 or Big 8’, you’d tell me that I was crazy and didn’t know anything about craps. You would tell me that the Big 6 and Big 8 are a stupid bet that pays EVEN MONEY when the chances of losing are greater than the chances of winning. That’s why no one bets it.
However, let’s think about the place bet. Let’s say you make a place bet on the 6. You bet $60 on the place 6. A win would pay $70.
If it were an odds bet, you would be betting $60 to win $72. You are missing $2.
If you think about it, you made a $50 odds bet, and then you made a $10…Big 6 bet. Why? Because the $50 pays $60 and then the $10 pays even money. That’s how you end up with $70 payout on a place bet. The house ‘confiscated’ the extra $2 as a fee, which is how the house derives its house edge.
If the player makes a place bet of $6 on the 6 and $6 on the 8, the same effect remains. The house pays true odds on the $5 portion of the bet and then pays even money on the $1 portion. So the house treats the $1 as if it were a Big 6 or Big 8 bet.
You might say if you can’t just make a naked odds bet. That’s true when neither the 6 or 8 are the point and you are trying to access the 6 or 8 via the pass line or come bet. There’s a cost to the odds bet in that you must make a pass line bet to get to the odds bet. If you bet $15on a 3,4,5x game, your expected loss is 21 cents on that bet in the long run. Remember, you will win 8 times automatically on the come out roll, so that offsets the disadvantage after the come out roll. That’s why over the long run, you will lose 21 cents for your $15 come bet (note that if the table minimum is less than $15, the expected loss is less).
However, 21 cents is still cheaper than $2, which you would be missing from your $60 come bet.
So, do you want to pay 21 cents or pay $2 for the same bet?
CONCLUSION
If you insist on making place bets on the 6 or 8, at least max your odds on the point of 6 or 8 before making a place bet. I’ve seen many players decline max odds, and instead place bet the opposite number. For example, if the point is 6, they will take less than max odds on the 6, and then load up place bets on the 8. Tunica mississippi poker tournaments. The player in that case, is better off, in the long run, not place betting the 8 and shifting the place bet 8 money to the odds on the 6.
Alternatively, you are better off in the long run trying to access the 6 and 8 by making come bets and then taking odds on the 6 and 8. This strategy works better if you take odds when the point is 4, 5, 9, 10. If you decline the odds when the point is 4, 5, 9, 0r 10, then you must do a loss analysis and compare your play versus simply place betting. Also, this strategy works best on a table with a higher odds multiplier, and you are willing to bet the higher odds multiplier.
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The following is a glossary of terms used in the dice game craps. Besides the terms listed here, there are many common and uncommon craps slang terms.[1][2][3]A[edit]ace deuceA roll of 3B[edit]Big RedThe number 7 or a bet for any 7 to appearbonesA slang term for the dicebox numbersThe place numbers (4,5,6,8,9,10)boxcarsA roll of or bet on 12C[edit]center fieldNine, often called Center Field Ninechange onlywhen a player buys into a game specifically with cash, the ’only’ means no bets are being placed at the time of the buy in. Can also be used when a player colours in. (Dealers will say this out loud so that a player can’t take a shot and say he wanted a bet on X.)Cheque changeBreaking down a chip into smaller denomination chips.colour upThe process of changing denominations of chips to larger denominationscold dicealso known as a cold table; an expression used when players are not hitting the established point and sevening outcome out1. The initial roll of the shooter2. To roll the dice when no point has been established[4]crap outTo roll a 2, 3, or 12 on the come out roll. A player betting on the Pass line or Come loses on crap out, but the roll does not lose when a point is established. Don’t Pass and Don’t Come wins if a 2 or 3 craps is rolled on come out, but ties (pushes) if a 12 is rolled on come out. The shooter may continue rolling after crapping out.crapsthe numbers 2, 3, and/or 12D[edit]double pitchIn dice control, when the dice stay on axis which rarely occurs (less than 5% of the rolls), but one turns two faces more than the other. If players set the dice with the same face, such as a hard ways or 3V set, the roll may likely result in a seven.downTo remove or reduce a bet, players often say ’take it down’E[edit]easy wayRolling an even number with any combination other than doubles. Applies to 4, 6, 8, and 10 only.even moneyAny bet that pays out at 1:1.F[edit]fever fiveA roll of 5, also called five feverfree oddsSimply known as odds, is the odds which can be taken or laid behind the Pass/Come or Don’t Pass/Don’t Come. These are paid at true odds.fleaA player who bets at or near table minimum, normally for extended periods of time; very annoying.G[edit]gardenSlang for the field betGeorgeA good tipperH[edit]What Does Big 6 And 8 Mean In Craps Machinehard wayRolling a 4, 6, 8, 10 with a pair of the same numberhi-loa single roll bet for 2 or 12hi-lo-yoa single roll bet for 2, 11, or 12highA bet on or roll of 12, also see boxcarshopA single roll bet for a specific combination of dice to come out. Pays 15:1 for easy ways and 30:1 for hard wayshornA divided bet on the 2, 3, 11, 12horn highA horn bet with addition units going to a specific number. For example ’horn high ace deuce’ would generally mean a 5 unit bet with 2 units going on the 3.hot dicealso known as a hot table; an expression used when players are hitting the established points or rolling for long durations without seven outsI[edit]inside numbersbetting on the 5, 6, 8, 9L[edit]layTo bet on a seven to come before a specific point number. Lays are paid at true odds with commission taken.lay oddsTo give odds behind a Don’t Pass or Don’t Come. Betting against the shooterLittle JoePoint 4lowa single roll bet for a 2M[edit]mechanicA shooter who allegedly implements dice controlN[edit]naturalRolling a 7 or 11 on the come out rollNinaRolling or betting on a 9O[edit]Off1. The come out roll; when no point has been established2. To have a bet on the table but not in play. The bet can not be won from or lost when it is Off.On1. When a point has been established2. A bet that is in play (working).outside numbersbetting on the 4, 5, 9, 10P[edit]parleyTo parley a bet is to take all the winnings from the previous bet (or up to maximum allowed for bet if winnings exceed maximum) and add it to the next bet.pressTo double a bet, players generally say ’press it’ when doubling a bet, players can also press an additional one or more units and can increase the bet less than the original bet by saying ’press X units’pusha tieS[edit]same betTo keep the previous winning bet as is. If a player says same bet it does not mean to double the bet, that is referred to as ’pressing it’seven outA roll of 7 when the point is On. All bets on Pass, Pass Odds, Come, Come Odds, Place bets, Buy bets, hard ways and any single roll bets not for a seven loses. All bets on Don’t Pass, Don’t Pass Odds, Don’t Come, Don’t Come Odds, Lay bets and any single roll bets for a seven wins.snake eyesA roll of 2strokerA player who makes bets overly complicated and/or gives dealers unnecessary additional workT[edit]take oddsTo bet odds behind a Pass or Come. Betting with the shooter[5]take downSee downtrue oddsThe real odds for payout where house edge is 0%W[edit]workingA bet which is in play and can be won or lost.whirlA five-unit bet that is a combination of a horn and any-seven bet, with the idea that if a seven is rolled the bet is a push, because the money won on the seven is lost on the horn portions of the bet. The combine odds are 26:5 on the 2, 12, 11:5 on the 3, 11, and a push on the 7.worldSee whirlwrong way bettorWhen a person is betting against the shooter on the Don’t Pass Line.Y[edit]yoA roll or bet on 11 (6-5, 5-6), short for Yo-levenReferences[edit]What Does Big 6 And 8 Mean In Craps Table
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